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Poster: Spiral Light of Venus Date: Sep 8, 2011 9:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - From the Dawn of the Welnick Era

A) Brent was the best, no doubt.
B) Check E2LU from this show ~ very early in Brent's GD career but great performance (aided by the nice CM clean-up).

http://www.archive.org/details/gd79-12-11.sbd.miller.32058.sbeok.flacf

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Sep 8, 2011 10:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - From the Dawn of the Welnick Era

If you're trying to convince people he was the best keyboard player you didn't pick the best song. I certainly prefer brent and think his keywork is unsurpassed, jam wise. He had much stronger an effect on the sound than keith did. Thats part of the reason many of us 80s lovers find him to be the best. comparing the two is futile though, they played very differently. Brent was just more essential to the sound and it makes sense why many others dont enjoy the 80s, because brent's presence is so much larger than keiths was.

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Poster: Spiral Light of Venus Date: Sep 8, 2011 10:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - From the Dawn of the Welnick Era

Agreed on all fronts.

I just picked that song/version/show to highlight what I think was a showcase performance of E2LU since an earlier reviewer was critical of the song(versus Vinnie's tunes).

I think you can sum up the hot seat as follows:

Pig: Band leader with a heavy blues front; greatest gift may have been to cover Garcia as he warmed up to the lead role and developed his legs. As the GD transitioned from blues/cover band to psychedelic warriors Pig's influence began to wane (attributable to health too not just music orientation).

Keith: Good background role player that was well-fitted to the jazz oriented era of the early 1970s; seemed to drift off as they segued into the rock/2 set format that took root in the late 70s.

Brent: Stood on his own two feet and was equally comfortable with playing in foreground, midground and background. Could play a raunchy blues foil to Bobby and a strong/capable but "background" companion to Jerry on back-to-back songs.

Vince: Crime here was band rushed to make a pick and he was put in a position like a newborn trying to learn to waterski behind a cigarette boat. Feel bad for how he is remembered/judged (though I can't disagree as I didn't like many of his songs). When they nailed it I thought Baba was great, just like a rocking Gloria from Bobby.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Sep 9, 2011 12:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - From the Dawn of the Welnick Era

I have to say I disagree about the whole background player notion also. Although I do like Brent as a keyboardist a lot. His songs are another matter.

Keith is by far the most underrated and under-appreciated GD keyboardist. He could play a much broader range of styles than any of the other keyboardists and could effortlessly switch between them.

But like Jerlouvis said, his playing was so well integrated into the rest of the band; he often goes unnoticed and gets lost in the shuffle of the dense sound the band had in this era, because his playing is often so subtle.

Another problem is he is quite often buried in the mix of many of those early '70s boards, making his contributions harder to discern, whereas Brent was usually way upfront.

This post was modified by clementinescaboose on 2011-09-09 07:12:18

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Sep 8, 2011 11:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - From the Dawn of the Welnick Era

Keith was far more than a good background role player and was integral to the bands ability to have a jazz era.It seems that because his style was more about group interaction and his primary instrument was an acoustic piano and not an amplified in your face organ or keyboard,the contribution he made to the music is belittled.He was a key contributor to a large portion of the bands catalog of songs and impacted the band from the keyboard seat far more than any of the other players.Brent had more of an effect on the sound because the overall ability of the band to play their instruments,create interesting music and desire to do so was in a steep decline,lets not confuse loud and aggressive with quality.By the time Brent arrived the band had been gimmicking it up with gizmos and in a state of creative bankruptcy,so why not let this joker step up with his cheesy synths and keyboards,and have him scream some "backup" vocals.The whole band was is in a narcotic/alcohol induced stupor and no longer remotely comparable to what they were during Keith's tenure.

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Poster: Skobud Date: Sep 9, 2011 4:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - From the Dawn of the Welnick Era

I think i agree with what you are saying - Kieth was able to drive many of the jams and take the lead as well. He was not just an accent piece. I ve said it before, I think the band owes a huge debt of gratitude to the Godchaux's...Kieth opened up huge new avenues for the band(that I believe were already there) but not yet explored fully. The jams really started developing more depth and seemed to be more develped.

When it comes to Brent, no one doubts he had the chops to keep up and lead. What i think he lacked was creativity and innovation. He pounded out the funky synth every night, but he was no where close to Kieth musically. His style was out in front and kinda in your face, and that did not really serve the band, creatively, nearly as well in my opinion.

Insofar as his tunes, while they kinda speak for themselves. I think he shoulda stuck strictly to the harmonies. He could get the crowd very fired up, but that certainly wasnt the case when he did his own songs.

Those of you that know me know I am a Brent basher at heart - but I still do respect him. I just dont respect him nearly as much as Kieth. I do believe that a case could be made for him being at par with Vince however, They both were doing more "filling in" than being creative in my opinion...

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Poster: snori Date: Sep 8, 2011 12:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - From the Dawn of the Welnick Era

Sorry, but a rockin' Gloria from Bob is the kiss of death to a show as far as I'm concerned. And one of the reasons Keith is my preferred keyboard player is that he didn't write songs. Also I'm not as down on Vince as many here because I was a Tubes fan.

BTW Did you know there was a GD fanzine based in the U.K. in the 80s and 90s called Spiral Light ?

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Sep 9, 2011 12:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - From the Dawn of the Welnick Era

Ah, but what about those few abominable performances of 'Let Me Sing Your Blues Away'? *Shudders*

http://www.archive.org/details/gd73-09-08.sbd.wulf.183.sbefail.shnf


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Poster: sjanderson82 Date: Sep 9, 2011 1:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - From the Dawn of the Welnick Era

couldn't agree more. that song is THE PITS.

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Poster: sntb Date: Jan 6, 2012 12:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - From the Dawn of the Welnick Era

Purely from a songwriting stndpoint,


I'd take some faux Rick Danko ("Sing Your Blues Away") over faux Glen Frey ("Tons of Steel") any old day.

Still, it is strange that they gave the new guy the second track on Wake of the Flood. Baptismo del Fuego!

And you know, the Keith and Donna album ain't half bad! A friend found it on vinyl for a buck. Jerry's all over it. Two of McCartney's Wings play on it. As does the baddest-ass drummer ever, Bernard Purdie.
Still, it suffers from cocaine lethargy.

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Poster: Spiral Light of Venus Date: Sep 8, 2011 12:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - From the Dawn of the Welnick Era

A) I think I have heard of that fanzine but have never seen it. I need to look that up on the web....thanx for the lead/reminder!
B) Yes, Gloria could be a throwaway but I liked it. Have you ever listened to?: http://www.archive.org/details/gd1992-06-25.dsbd.miller.32496.sbeok.flac16
Check out the tail end of the show with James Cotton, maybe you will like this version, I thought it was blistering!

Cheers!

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Poster: snori Date: Sep 9, 2011 1:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - From the Dawn of the Welnick Era

Better than usual, I listened all the way to the end !
Here's a link, but as it faded away in '96 it never had an online edition. http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~billpannifer/spiral.htm
The early editions were photocopies, but as you can see by the cover of the last edition it had become quite professional looking.

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Poster: Spiral Light of Venus Date: Sep 9, 2011 5:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - From the Dawn of the Welnick Era

Thanx for sharing!! Played around a little bit on it this AM and liked what I saw!

I read the LA Forum 89 article; well written by an astute fan and it made me feel as if it was all happening real time in front of me. Almost Blair Jackon Blog-ish, if you will.

So familiar with UC, Relix, etc. it is fun to see the international fan stuff, too. Noticed a link to Franklins Tower wh/ I will have to noodle on, too.

Thanks again and have a grateful weekend!

SLOV (~}:)

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 8, 2011 11:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - From the Dawn of the Welnick Era

Easy to Love You is one of Brent's best songs and it still sucks.